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• 1 Cotton Avenue Solon // Aug 27, 2008 at 10:45 am

  Macon and Bibb County need symposiums on the proper way to raise children so that they do not turn into criminals.

• 2 augustus // Aug 27, 2008 at 11:56 am

  When you have a sharp decline in morals, including a 37% illegitimacy rate nationally, with the rate being 68% for blacks nationally, coupled with a 40% highschool drop out rate in Ga, you are going to have a lot of crime.

  The answer? Quick and severe punishment for crime plus a rebuilding of the moral fabric of America. How is the latter done? How about jail time for those that have an illegitmate child instead of 20 thousand dollars worth of tax payer paid benefits per year? Fornication is a 12 month crime in Ga. Start enforcing it, including against the father. You get more of something if you reward it, less if you punish it.

• 3 eveneeser // Aug 27, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  Define illegitimate first.
  I say take their children and give them to people who cannot have their own and use the money we’d pay in medical bills and food stamps to pay for hysterectomies and vasectomies for irresponsible breeders. I’d rather pay for hysterectomies and vasectomies than continue to pay people in food stamps and housing projects. Poverty is not going anywhere unless we quit establishing systems to make it so cyclical. Plenty of people make mistakes, but people who make the mistake of having children they have no intention of raising or caring for should have that privilege revoked.

  Also, sexual education should start in the 4th or 5th grade and it should be WELL understood by the time the hormones kick in.

• 4 augustus // Aug 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm

  Even, I think you know the definition. It is a child born to an unmarried female. Why ask such a question?

• 5 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  And Governor Perdue’s infinite wisdom and insight axes the GBI and Georgia Public Safety Budget. Vote Republican.

• 6 augustus // Aug 28, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  Anon, tax revenues are down for several reasons. When the money is not there, cuts must be made. Ga is required to have a balanced budget by law. If he cut welfare benefits you would shout about that.

• 7 eveneeser // Aug 28, 2008 at 3:37 pm

  Aug, I think your views on illegitimacy are a bit harsh. Plenty of people have children legitimately outside of marriage. Morals are constantly shifting and I’ll say away from legislating them to others; I prefer education.

• 8 gladiolus // Aug 28, 2008 at 5:46 pm

  I think some of us worry that “morals shifting” is like talking about quicksand. Sadly, there is a terrific erosion of sanity in current society. Don’t freak out. It happened to the Aztecs, ancient Romans, 19th century Germans, Maya, ancient Egyptians….When the codes go, so does the whole doggone neighborhood. It is like watching ice melt. Again, don’t fret. The Chinese have a fantastic handle on it all. I just know I surely won’t ever learn to speak any dialect of Chinese. Though I really need to.

• 9 gladiolus // Aug 28, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  There needs to be a code to be a parent. If someone is interested in doing the work that it takes to create human beings, that person needs to know how to nuture the human being to a prosperous, functional individual, free of a need to live off the state. The erosion of this concept has our country screwed. Mark my words. Look at England. Britannia no longer rules any waves, and any Brit with a lick of sense wants out. If the USA keeps up this crap, (big, hearty, crummy government), we can have teeth just like the Brits. That will be the least of our worries.

• 10 augustus // Aug 28, 2008 at 7:31 pm

  Even, you and people like you are part of the problem. You are a moral relativist. Morals are not up to individual interpretation. Society will collapse if any sort conduct is deemed acceptable.

  All children born outside of a legal marriage are illegitmate. That is the law. It is also the custom of this society.

  Most children born illegitmately suffer through years of poverty. They cause problems to society in that they soak up tax money and are more likely to drop out of school and do delinquent acts.

  A child born into a stable marriage has a much greater chance to experience appropriate financial and social support.

  It is more than just a group of old fuddy duddies trying to make people live by their personal standards. There are practical realities behind laws and moral codes.

• 11 gladiolus // Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm

  Dear Augustus:
  What you said could sound harsh. It is not. It is a position arrived at by looking at society and seeing possible healing. If idiots like Madonna and other megalomaniac billionaires could stop their self obsession for one moment, they too could see that children need to have parents. It is best if those parents can be committed to each other in a finite fashion. In our world, that finite fashion has to do with marriage vows. I am at times liberal about some things, but my view of current society shows me that one way we can heal some of the problems is a return to nuclear family. Some people have misfortune that makes this impossible, and that is not what is discussed here. We are talking about willful neglect of what can make a child grow up happy and calm and productive. Though some people would see your words as harsh, they are simply logical.

• 12 augustus // Aug 29, 2008 at 2:00 pm

  Glad, there is noting harsh about stating the law and upholding traditional, common sense values.

• 13 gladiolus // Aug 31, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  You have to read for clarity, esp on Blogs such as these Gus. I DID say that your words are NOT harsh. Not. Did you read that part. I know for a factoid that a lot of the readers of this blog think that what you said was harsh, and I was defendin’ ya. It is not a terrifically popular opinion now, so I will get rotten tomatoes thrown my was as you do too. I said the words you said about being a responsible parent were NOT harsh, but lots of liberal people would label those words very harsh.

• 14 augustus // Aug 31, 2008 at 7:13 pm

  I am aware of what you said, glad. I was just making a general statement.

• 15 eveneeser // Sep 2, 2008 at 1:22 pm

  I apologize for not getting back to this sooner. I was in the woods with a Chinese guy and a guy who has never had a stable family situation who both graduated from college and are hugely productive members of society, but I digress.

  Morals being assigned by society would be called mob mentality, and as far as the government telling us what “laws” define morality I believe that is called Fascism. I’d prefer for morals to be extremely relative. If the “laws” ever start telling me how to judge people then I’m getting out of here. Religious and Political persecution with a basis in morals have accounted for some of the most heinous acts of human history while moral relativity (read: objective opinions on a case-by-case basis over the idea of wholesale moral codes) has generally been well received by the western world as history passes.

  I will agree that celebrities showboating their children just because they can afford to doesn’t necessitate a good family even if they are married. I also agree that people who have children and cannot afford to take care of them should be punished, and I believe I detailed that above. Calling someone who was born “out of wedlock” illegitimate is not only too harsh, but it is downright insensitive, it is not their fault they were born, and it certainly is not their fault their father is no where to be found either. Just consider the idea of calling a full grown adult an illegitimate human being and see how much of the law they care to stand. Blame the parents if you like, but keep the judgments of the children out of it.

• 16 augustus // Sep 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm

  I was blaming the parents, even. That is proven by the fact I called for punishment of the parents, not the child. Your denial of the basic law of the land is silly, even.

• 17 LEO020 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:07 am

  We call them illegitimate to avoid calling them Bastards…

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